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		<title>By: TheSnowLeopard</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6578</link>
		<author>TheSnowLeopard</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6578</guid>
		<description>I agree with your last two points, triflic.

But Star Wars (the 1977 one) is a childhood favourite and inviolable when it comes to criticism. Empire just doesn't compare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your last two points, triflic.</p>
<p>But Star Wars (the 1977 one) is a childhood favourite and inviolable when it comes to criticism. Empire just doesn&#8217;t compare.</p>
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		<title>By: triflic</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6563</link>
		<author>triflic</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6563</guid>
		<description>Wow - Empire has the dual split narrative, much better acting, Hoth and Cloud city are more interesting locales and the love triangle.  Not going to argue further, as my passion for starwars has cooled in the past 10 years (mainly due to the gawd-awful prequels and Lucas' constant tinkering upgrading and indifference to the original version of his film that people loved.  Well that and a growing interest/awareness of just how much great cinema is out there to dwell on Lucas and company seems a little silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow - Empire has the dual split narrative, much better acting, Hoth and Cloud city are more interesting locales and the love triangle.  Not going to argue further, as my passion for starwars has cooled in the past 10 years (mainly due to the gawd-awful prequels and Lucas&#8217; constant tinkering upgrading and indifference to the original version of his film that people loved.  Well that and a growing interest/awareness of just how much great cinema is out there to dwell on Lucas and company seems a little silly.</p>
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		<title>By: TheSnowLeopard</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6558</link>
		<author>TheSnowLeopard</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6558</guid>
		<description>Kurt - WRONG!!! :-w 
Star Wars is better than TESB. Yoda looks like a muppet and I've always felt Darth Vader being Luke's father is ridiculous.

In fact, No.s 4, 6, 7, 9 &#38; 10 should not be in the Top 10, though they should be on the list.

Everyone talks about the greatness of the opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan. I've always felt the final battle was even better. So many deaths in that sequence are the most harrowing I've seen in any war movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt - WRONG!!! <img src='http://moviepatron.com/blog/smilies/yahoo_waiting.gif' alt='&#58;&#45;&#119;' class='wp-smiley' width='23' height='18' title='&#58;&#45;&#119;' /><br />
Star Wars is better than TESB. Yoda looks like a muppet and I&#8217;ve always felt Darth Vader being Luke&#8217;s father is ridiculous.</p>
<p>In fact, No.s 4, 6, 7, 9 &amp; 10 should not be in the Top 10, though they should be on the list.</p>
<p>Everyone talks about the greatness of the opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan. I&#8217;ve always felt the final battle was even better. So many deaths in that sequence are the most harrowing I&#8217;ve seen in any war movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6533</link>
		<author>Kurt</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6533</guid>
		<description>When talking how a movie has aged, I'm more in line with the fact that the films significance has dropped off, not the acting, style, etc. etc.

I'd be the first to argue that King Kong 1933 has aged REMARKABLY Well, certainly ditto on The Third Man, Citizen Kane, And yes, Psycho too (only fault with Psycho is the needless denoument which has not aged well, by my criteria...the rest of the film is great).

Fargo is an American Classic much the same way that Citizen Kane and The Godfather is, and quite a cinematically austere film.  Totally belongs in the upper bounds of the list.  

What surprises me is the lack of Douglas Sirk and John Frankenheimer - Sure The Manchurian Candidate is there, but I'd much rather the man have more than one title up there, SECONDS should have been on the list.  In terms of very modern films, I'd have liked to see City of God and The 25th Hour there too.  C'est La Vie.

Oh, and Empire beats the cinematic tar out of A new hope, whether you were old enough to catch them on the original theatrical run or not!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When talking how a movie has aged, I&#8217;m more in line with the fact that the films significance has dropped off, not the acting, style, etc. etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be the first to argue that King Kong 1933 has aged REMARKABLY Well, certainly ditto on The Third Man, Citizen Kane, And yes, Psycho too (only fault with Psycho is the needless denoument which has not aged well, by my criteria&#8230;the rest of the film is great).</p>
<p>Fargo is an American Classic much the same way that Citizen Kane and The Godfather is, and quite a cinematically austere film.  Totally belongs in the upper bounds of the list.  </p>
<p>What surprises me is the lack of Douglas Sirk and John Frankenheimer - Sure The Manchurian Candidate is there, but I&#8217;d much rather the man have more than one title up there, SECONDS should have been on the list.  In terms of very modern films, I&#8217;d have liked to see City of God and The 25th Hour there too.  C&#8217;est La Vie.</p>
<p>Oh, and Empire beats the cinematic tar out of A new hope, whether you were old enough to catch them on the original theatrical run or not!  <img src='http://moviepatron.com/blog/smilies/yahoo_smiley.gif' alt='&#58;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#41;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6531</link>
		<author>Jonathan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6531</guid>
		<description>Well, I wasn't even born when the Star Wars films came out and I've always felt The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the trilogy with the most iconic moments - especially one of my favorite parts of any film ever: "I love you." "I know."

Anyway, plenty of people are getting their panties in a bunch over this list, but I think that's because some people take lists too seriously. It's a fun list. Maybe a little predictable at points, but you can't call having Ed Wood, Leon, L.A. Confidential, Ghostbusters, Groundhog Day, or Aguirre, the Wrath of God predictable.

Yes, I'm a little flabbergasted that Paul Newman (my second favorite actor EVER) was more or less snubbed: Hud, The Hustler, Butch Cassidy, The Sting, The Verdict, and ESPECIALLY Cool Hand Luke were all overlooked. What a shame. The lack of foreign films is indeed disappointing, but the reason they're left off makes sense: our access to foreign films is limited compared to English-speaking ones and it seems that everyone had their 10-20 foreign films that they loved and voted for - but they were all different and thus canceled each other out, whereas other films like The Godfather made nearly every list regardless. Of course other all-time favorites of mine such as The Great Silence, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Outlaw Josey Wales, The Deer Hunter, Le Samourai, Once Upon a Time in America, Downfall, Harvey, The Twilight Samurai, The Elephant Man, Samurai, Rope, High Noon, Ikiru, The City of Lost Children, Delicatessen, and so on were all overlooked and didn't make the cut... yet, I'm still happy with the list. I think it's interesting and unique, despite many of the predictable choices.

Yes, I'm actually proud of this list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I wasn&#8217;t even born when the Star Wars films came out and I&#8217;ve always felt The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the trilogy with the most iconic moments - especially one of my favorite parts of any film ever: &#8220;I love you.&#8221; &#8220;I know.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, plenty of people are getting their panties in a bunch over this list, but I think that&#8217;s because some people take lists too seriously. It&#8217;s a fun list. Maybe a little predictable at points, but you can&#8217;t call having Ed Wood, Leon, L.A. Confidential, Ghostbusters, Groundhog Day, or Aguirre, the Wrath of God predictable.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a little flabbergasted that Paul Newman (my second favorite actor EVER) was more or less snubbed: Hud, The Hustler, Butch Cassidy, The Sting, The Verdict, and ESPECIALLY Cool Hand Luke were all overlooked. What a shame. The lack of foreign films is indeed disappointing, but the reason they&#8217;re left off makes sense: our access to foreign films is limited compared to English-speaking ones and it seems that everyone had their 10-20 foreign films that they loved and voted for - but they were all different and thus canceled each other out, whereas other films like The Godfather made nearly every list regardless. Of course other all-time favorites of mine such as The Great Silence, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Outlaw Josey Wales, The Deer Hunter, Le Samourai, Once Upon a Time in America, Downfall, Harvey, The Twilight Samurai, The Elephant Man, Samurai, Rope, High Noon, Ikiru, The City of Lost Children, Delicatessen, and so on were all overlooked and didn&#8217;t make the cut&#8230; yet, I&#8217;m still happy with the list. I think it&#8217;s interesting and unique, despite many of the predictable choices.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m actually proud of this list.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew James</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6528</link>
		<author>Andrew James</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6528</guid>
		<description>I also think "Star Wars ESB" is higher on the list than is "A New Hope" becasue of the age group of voters.  I bet 90% of the voters saw ESB in the theater as a kid, but were too young to have seen ANHope in the theater.  I think this skews their thoughts on which is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think &#8220;Star Wars ESB&#8221; is higher on the list than is &#8220;A New Hope&#8221; becasue of the age group of voters.  I bet 90% of the voters saw ESB in the theater as a kid, but were too young to have seen ANHope in the theater.  I think this skews their thoughts on which is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew James</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6527</link>
		<author>Andrew James</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6527</guid>
		<description>I agree with Ross on the whole "aged well" thing.  I love American Beauty and totally agree it should make the list somewhere.

As for SPRyan, I was captivated by the entire film.  Not once was I even close to being bored.  Yes, the opening sequence is maybe the best part, but everything that happens afterwards is so much more important (from a character depth and story standpoint).

And Adam, "Fargo" is brilliance personified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ross on the whole &#8220;aged well&#8221; thing.  I love American Beauty and totally agree it should make the list somewhere.</p>
<p>As for SPRyan, I was captivated by the entire film.  Not once was I even close to being bored.  Yes, the opening sequence is maybe the best part, but everything that happens afterwards is so much more important (from a character depth and story standpoint).</p>
<p>And Adam, &#8220;Fargo&#8221; is brilliance personified.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Ziskin</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6525</link>
		<author>Adam Ziskin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6525</guid>
		<description>Easily the most "wtf" on the list is at #23 with Fargo.  Love the Coen Bros. but Fargo?  And its rated better then Annie Hall, Princess Bride, Raging Bull, etc...   It shouldn't even be on the list at all.  That throws me off from taking the list seriously...  but there are some great ones in there!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easily the most &#8220;wtf&#8221; on the list is at #23 with Fargo.  Love the Coen Bros. but Fargo?  And its rated better then Annie Hall, Princess Bride, Raging Bull, etc&#8230;   It shouldn&#8217;t even be on the list at all.  That throws me off from taking the list seriously&#8230;  but there are some great ones in there!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Miller</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6520</link>
		<author>Ross Miller</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6520</guid>
		<description>I don't think it is fair to excuse a film because it hasn't aged well. I mean are you telling me the original King Kong or Psycho has aged well? Especially the latter - the violence is VERY dated and yet other aspects very much warrants it to be on the list. I think American Beauty &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have been on the list, for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is fair to excuse a film because it hasn&#8217;t aged well. I mean are you telling me the original King Kong or Psycho has aged well? Especially the latter - the violence is VERY dated and yet other aspects very much warrants it to be on the list. I think American Beauty <i>should</i> have been on the list, for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: triflic</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6495</link>
		<author>triflic</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6495</guid>
		<description>And neither Saving Private Ryan or American Beauty belong on that list.  (Maybe the opening minutes of SPR, but not the rest of the film).  American Beauty has not aged well.  I think "Happiness" or "Little Children" have aged better (not that Little Children is all that old mind you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And neither Saving Private Ryan or American Beauty belong on that list.  (Maybe the opening minutes of SPR, but not the rest of the film).  American Beauty has not aged well.  I think &#8220;Happiness&#8221; or &#8220;Little Children&#8221; have aged better (not that Little Children is all that old mind you).</p>
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		<title>By: triflic</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6494</link>
		<author>triflic</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6494</guid>
		<description>Fun list, although I should really cut and paste it into Excel and check it against the IMDb top 250 (It looks familiar, although thank goodness that The Shawshank Redemption is not in the top 10!)

Heh.  I'm not a gigantic fan of The Godfather either.  It was on my list though and belongs somewhere on a top 100 for sure.  Given the choice, i'll take Citizen Kane over it though.  For my money, Coppola's The Conversation and Apocalypse are more compelling films, but I acknowlege the affect of The Godfather on the American Psyche as much as those other two films.

As I mentioned on last weeks show, the bottom 20 of the list is always more interesting than the top 20 - films that are canonized almost beyond contention.  As much as I love Casablanca (and I love the film, particularly the supporting cast), it doesn't belong in the top 10. 

I hate to be the contrarian here, but most of my top 10 was in the bottom 30 on this list, perhaps massive points boosts even put them up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun list, although I should really cut and paste it into Excel and check it against the IMDb top 250 (It looks familiar, although thank goodness that The Shawshank Redemption is not in the top 10!)</p>
<p>Heh.  I&#8217;m not a gigantic fan of The Godfather either.  It was on my list though and belongs somewhere on a top 100 for sure.  Given the choice, i&#8217;ll take Citizen Kane over it though.  For my money, Coppola&#8217;s The Conversation and Apocalypse are more compelling films, but I acknowlege the affect of The Godfather on the American Psyche as much as those other two films.</p>
<p>As I mentioned on last weeks show, the bottom 20 of the list is always more interesting than the top 20 - films that are canonized almost beyond contention.  As much as I love Casablanca (and I love the film, particularly the supporting cast), it doesn&#8217;t belong in the top 10. </p>
<p>I hate to be the contrarian here, but most of my top 10 was in the bottom 30 on this list, perhaps massive points boosts even put them up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew James</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6486</link>
		<author>Andrew James</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6486</guid>
		<description>Ross,

I am shocked too about a couple of those.  SPR actually came in at about 106 and American Beauty at about 168.

I'm pissed (though not surprised) that Godfather came in at #1.  Most over-rated film in history.  Not only did it come in at #1, it was on FAR more voters' lists and had a higher score than any of the films after it BY FAR.

Every title after Godfather were pretty close in contention (i.e. neck and neck throughout the entire vote tallying process).  But it was clear right away that The Godfather would blow everything else out of the water.  I still don't get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross,</p>
<p>I am shocked too about a couple of those.  SPR actually came in at about 106 and American Beauty at about 168.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pissed (though not surprised) that Godfather came in at #1.  Most over-rated film in history.  Not only did it come in at #1, it was on FAR more voters&#8217; lists and had a higher score than any of the films after it BY FAR.</p>
<p>Every title after Godfather were pretty close in contention (i.e. neck and neck throughout the entire vote tallying process).  But it was clear right away that The Godfather would blow everything else out of the water.  I still don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Miller</title>
		<link>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6472</link>
		<author>Ross Miller</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://moviepatron.com/blog/2007/07/30/online-film-community-top-100/#comment-6472</guid>
		<description>I am, for the most part, content with the list. Although I am ashamed to admit I haven't seen a WHOPPING 47 movies on the list! But I am gonna make it my mission to see every single one of the movies on the list that I haven't seen already.

There are some adbsent that I thought were automatically going to make it onto the list in some way. Example of that are:

&lt;b&gt;Saving Private Ryan&lt;/b&gt; - I was utterly GOBSMACKED that this didn't make it!
&lt;b&gt;Requiem for a Dream&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Donnie Darko
Se7en
Mulholland Drive
OLBDOY!!
CITY OF GOD!!
American Beauty
Batman Begins
Snatch&lt;/b&gt;
And many, many more....

7 of MY Top 10 made it onto the list and 40 of the films I had on my ranked top 100 list made it onto the final list - so I am content.:d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am, for the most part, content with the list. Although I am ashamed to admit I haven&#8217;t seen a WHOPPING 47 movies on the list! But I am gonna make it my mission to see every single one of the movies on the list that I haven&#8217;t seen already.</p>
<p>There are some adbsent that I thought were automatically going to make it onto the list in some way. Example of that are:</p>
<p><b>Saving Private Ryan</b> - I was utterly GOBSMACKED that this didn&#8217;t make it!<br />
<b>Requiem for a Dream</b><br />
<b>Donnie Darko<br />
Se7en<br />
Mulholland Drive<br />
OLBDOY!!<br />
CITY OF GOD!!<br />
American Beauty<br />
Batman Begins<br />
Snatch</b><br />
And many, many more&#8230;.</p>
<p>7 of MY Top 10 made it onto the list and 40 of the films I had on my ranked top 100 list made it onto the final list - so I am content.<img src='http://moviepatron.com/blog/smilies/yahoo_bigsmile.gif' alt='&#58;&#100;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#100;' /></p>
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